#2 -- My Journey Out: Beginnings
#4 -- My Journey Out: What About the Women?

#3 -- My Journey Out: A Revelation

Matt's response was that he never thought I'd have the balls to do it.

Matt himself had come out, at least to me, our sophomore year in college. We were roommates for three years. The director of admissions had put us in the same room because we were both leaders in our high schools. And we worked well as roommates, so we stayed together.

Our room that year was your basic square. In the SW corner was the door; the bathroom door in the NW corner. The bunkbed was along the north wall, perpendicular to it at the mid-point. Matt's stuff was on the west side, mine on the east. I was sitting in the bean bag on my side of the room when he told me. I don't remember what had precipitated him telling me in that moment. A few months before, the school had discovered that our friend Sean was gay. We had been through months of fighting with university administration. Also, one of our suitemates had moved to another room over the whole ordeal. So we'd been having lots of conversations about the topic in recent months. I guess Matt was finally ready to really deal with it (he had dated seven girls our freshman year).

That time and process with Matt was tough. I wasn't prepared for it at all. As friends we had walked that journey, and I now wanted him to be the first person to know about me.

Back in November after my day of private retreat, when I had prayed and meditated on the topic for hours, I left feeling tranquil and joyful. If I hadn't had plans that night I probably would have called John that afternoon. Instead, I went to see two of my youth play football, and the whole time I was in this great mood. The mood persisted the next day as I went to dinner at the Lucketts' (I had just recruited them to teach in the youth Sunday school). I was bursting with excitement, and it's a wonder I didn't tell people then.

That night I woke up in the middle of the night. I can't do this. What was I thinking. Glad I didn't do anything stupid.

But it wouldn't go away. So for the rest of November I pondered the question.

What I had felt during the day of prayer seemed right. My anxieties and fears were what seemed wrong. Should I talk to someone? Who? Marty I decided. At Thanksgiving, when we would all be home in Shawnee. As the days played out I spent time with Marty, but there were always other people around, and I wanted to have this conversation in private. I wanted his input, his blessing. We never did get to talk then.

The Vickreys hold an open house every year in December for all of the church members. It is a fun event, with great snacks. Sharon wanted me to come stay for most of it so that I could get to know more church members in an informal setting. Most of the day I stood at the door taking coats. I left a little early in order to make it home by seven p.m. so that I could watch Angels in America on HBO. I hurried home. When I got in, I turned the tv on, changed the channel to HBO and . . . nothing. The image was blurred and the sound was garbled. Try the other HBO channels. The same. Except for the Spanish-language. I called the cable company. Having some problem with the line. I watched for about 30 minutes in Spanish (I don't speak Spanish) but gave up and went to bed.

Luckily they played the first three hours over many times that week, and I watched them over and over again. I watched the second three hours the next Sunday night. And I've seen the whole thing or parts of it multiple times since. Every time it's on tv, I watch part of it. And I own a copy and watch it now and then.

The Angels in America film, based on Tony Kushner's play, was simply a revelation. I identified with the characters. And I was inspired. Words are inadequate to describe the feelings I get watching this film.

Sitting in my house in mid-December 2003 I watched the final installment. In the closing scene, it is five years after the main action and some of the major characters are meeting. Prior speaks directly into the camera giving this benediction:

We are not going away.
We will not die secret deaths anymore.
The world only spins forward.
We will be citizens. Time has come.

Bye now.
You are fabulous, each and every one.
And I bless you.
More life.
The Great Work begins.

I stood up from the couch and knew that I had the courage to do this.


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very cool story, i need to watch that series sometime


[1] "Judge not, that you be not judged.
[2] For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.
[3] Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
[4] Or how can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?
[5] You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
[6] "Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.
[7] "Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
[8] For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
[9] Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?
[10] Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent?
[11] If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
[12] So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
[13] "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
[14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
[15] "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
[16] You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?
[17] So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit.
[18] A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
[19] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[20] Thus you will know them by their fruits.
[21] "Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
[22] On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
[23] And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'
[24] "Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock;
[25] and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.
[26] And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand;
[27] and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it."
[28] And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching,
[29] for he taught them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.

Ben Deceived

You perhaps are the lowest of the squalid, scurvy, pathetic, lightweight windbags in blogdom. And those who can't seem to see that the rainbow emperor is not just naked but doesn't even have any skin to hold his rattlin bones together, are victims of nothing but puffed up egomaniacal rhetoric.
What are you going to do when the desperate attention you crave ebbs and fades from this little dog and pony show? Bestiality?
Your "theology", "ethics", and "morals" stand on one leg of a snake. You are making it up as you go along, and your creativity ain't cuttin it.
A Pox upon you for foisting off your seamy, sordid, seedy poison on impressionable minds of our youth to satisfy your gluttonous appetite of self serving idolatry. Let me clue you in little Napoleon, you ain't no character in one of your movies, you ain't got no character that I can discern, and just because you call yourself PHD don't mean you got any sense.
Now for the good news! As a prodigal myself, if our wits ever return and we can find our way home, our Father has a ring and a robe in our size waiting on us.
Good luck on your Quest, and remember it is YOUR Quest, try not to sucker anymore souls into believing that it is theirs.

Kevin Sinclair

Ben Decieved, my friend, I believe you are the one who has done been deceived.

I was raised in a conservative, evangelical, baptist home. We never talked about homosexuality, but I knew it was wrong. About three years ago, a girl I grew up with in church, realized she is gay. Lots of folks in my church turned on her and *actually* told her she was going to hell. I knew that I could never say that and for some odd reason I didn't feel that towards her. After hearing the news I said, "Well that kinda makes sense." She never REALLY liked gays and was always a little...manly? From there I began the journey I am on. I am a straight guy. But, I had this strange urge to understand my friend and continue to love her. I searched scripture and found my proof that she was living in sin, but it didn't add up to rejecting this new love that my friend had for this girl she met. I put the inner dialogue away until I met this new youth minister Scott. I had just gotten off a month long summer school binger of Death Star sized worldview destruction. I came home and Scott helped me put the pieces of my faith back together. He did not force his opinions or theology on me but helped me to formulate my own. A year later I left for India on a mission trip and a week after I got back my best friend of 23 years told me he heard through the grapevine that Scott was gay. Once again, my reaction was, "Huh, that makes sense." We grieved over what might happen to this Man of God who has proclaimed a faith only heard of in books like the Gospels. We swore to not speak of this to anyone until finally the cat started stratching his way out of the bag. I did not know what to do. This guy Scott had (To quote Natalie Levy) been the evidence of the Living Christ to me! So I began this semester and enrolled in a class on Civil War history. I read a book called "The Gospel of Disunion" which discussed the role of the Church in the south in bring about sectionalism and ultimately secession. When I read what devout Christians said about Slavery I became afraid. "Slavery is based in Scripture!" "It is natural for people to be subservient to others!" Scripture and Natural Law. I realized in a moment that the only defense that people had in reject monogamous, loving, committed Homosexuality (Let's quit fooling ourselves and thinking that all gay and lesbian folk are sexually promiscuous and removed from any sense of love and monogamy) was...bum bada ba! Scripture and Natural Law. "The Bible says fags are evil!" "God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve! A penis plus a penis do not equal a baby!" There's proof for ya. Homosexual unions are wrong because they cannot produce children. Last time I checked people don't get married just to have children. The more I talk to my friends who reject any sort of Homosexuality the more I realize that the argument cannot stand. You need natural law proof? Go search wikipedia.org and read up on Homosexuality. There are penguins who will live together for life as same-sex partners. A funny aside to that: They will make their own nests and put stones in it to be their "eggs" At the San Diego zoo they tried an experiment where they stole the stones and replaced them with fertilized eggs. Sure enough, the eggs hatched and now the gay penguins are raising their own baby penguins. The priority of the Old Testament Law is to project the community forward and bear children to continue to line (Cause there's no afterlife yet, or something). Homosexuality would be detrimental to a society trying to create children to work and pass on the geneology. Today, that is not the reason for the institution of marriage. Marriage is about love and finding that perfect compliment to yourself. My friend from Church found hers. With regards to the New Testament, Homosexuality was something performed in large groups as worship towards Roman deities in most cases. Paul couldn't stand for that. Today, Homosexuality is a culture, not just behavior, and for us, as the Church, to reject an entire culture as evil we are turning our back on thousands, even millions, of people that could be serving to bring the Kingdom of Heaven closer. Sin is something that is damaging to oneself, one's community, and humanity as a whole. If you can prove to me how two men or women living together in love and monogamy spread disease and damage themselves and this world, then by all means, share. But, until then, please do not come in here with that hard-charging Rodney King, beat the hell out of everything with a pulse attitude and talk to my mentor, friend, and brother like you know him. Because we can all only hope to be half the follower of Christ that Scott Jones is actively living his life as.

Kevin Sinclair

By the way, she never really liked GUYS not gays. Ha.


Said it before I have, say it again I will:

Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate leads to suffering.


And this time, when I quote Yoda I am not being sarcastic. I grow very tired of hearing about this so-called "issue." If you don't like what you read on this blog, then the solution is simple: stop reading it.

If Scott's blog somehow offends you, if it contradicts your beliefs, if it challenges your faith, if it "becometh a stumbling block unto you," if it makes you upset or sad or angry or disgusted or anything unpleasant, all you have to do is go away. It really is that simple.

This is Scott's blog, and I come here to read what he has to say. If I wanted to fill my head with mindless, unoriginal right-wing rhetoric, I would tune in to NPR.


Scott, I'm glad you've got a mind of your own, unlike some of the ignorant idiots who've posted comments. Keep on being you.

Ben Deceived

Thanks to you all for proving my point in your own condescending way...you see Kev...you and I are just alike, I think the difference is that I get it and you are, by your own admission, prone to confusion and need help developing your own morals and ethics, you are victim of some kind of Stockholm syndrome, just following along.

Read Matt 7 that Timbo posted, it cuts me, how about you?
Oh, I forgot, you guys write your own gospel. When is it due to be canonized?

I don't have anything against gays.(and I want to keep it that way)

My beef with PHD is that he (and apparently you) is, despite his declarations to the contrary, a fundamentalist and a bigot.
He may not like that but he and Jerry Falwell, Paige Patterson, and his buddy over at OBU have more in common than he does with his bosom rainbow buddies.
I could care less about who, how, when or, where he has sex, (the good news about that is he won't reproduce), but when he stands in front of a group of impressionable youth, whose very parents pay his salary to provide some kind of spiritual guidance and declares that sex before marriage is not wrong, or intimate that God will not hold us accountable for what we do and don't do, I got a point of difference with the boy. His right to interpret the gospel is intact; to spread his interpretation as the mind of God is something else entirely.
He deceived the very church's and those parents and youth who have sustained his Quest.

You defenders of ignorance want to say that you are inclusive and not judgmental but if anybody disagrees with you, just like a good little fundamentalist, you say something like;
Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate leads to suffering;
I been labeled again and you know nothing about me.

Truth and Righteousness need no defense, so why are you all so defensive?

As for you Trav; PHD is big on justice and equality and sharing of opinion and that is what a blog is about. You don't like mine, don't read it.

The emperor is not wearing clothes, so stop being so puffed up!

Good news, God loves us all!


Okay. Ben.. youre a moron. As one of Scott's youth, I have learned something that you obviously haven't... COMMON SENSE... Um... there's this thing called instinct... common sense... and when it comes to issues in real life, you have to apply this concept to those issues, or you become, as I like to put it, FUCKED OVER. However, when it comes to God and religion, there are millions of interpretations. That's why we have different religions in the first place!!! And WHAT THE HELL WOULD A YOUTH MINISTER BE IF HE DIDN'T PASS ON HIS BELIEFS TO HIS YOUTH??? You want him to treat it all with objectivity? I'm sorry.. that's not how it works. You do the best you can, what you think will help US, the Youth, deal with life in such a way that we mirror Christ to our best ability and then you have to trust that they will also let common sense factor in and they will make the best decisions for them.
Oh, and to bitch about crying for attention.. have you looked at your little alias name? "Ben Deceived"? Is that not in the least bit crying out for pity? Oh, you've been deceived, you're alone, no one loves you. KISS MY ASS. You're one out of EVERYONE ELSE.
Dude... get a fucking clue.... don't bring your shit around here anymore..
Scott- sorry for the language, but no one else was dealin with it public-school style..
Oh, and Ben- if you have a problem with me sharing my opinion specifically with you (or even if you don't) I want you to take a minute and think... a 15 year-old girl just fucking owned you... She's taking Calculus, AP English, AP Biology, Physics, Chemistry, and Latin this year... she sounds relatively smart. And, by God, she ACTUALLY HAS PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED SCOTT'S TEACHINGS!
might wanna consider being a teacher in DISD... They love people like you... you know.. morons who think they're amazing? go for it! i believe in you...


Since we are all fundamentalists, I thought I would quote some more scripture. Here's Job 38.

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind: 2"Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? 3Gird up your loins like a man, I will question you, and you shall declare to me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. 5Who determined its measurements--surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone 7when the morning stars sang together and all the heavenly beings shouted for joy? 8"Or who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb?-- 9when I made the clouds its garment, and thick darkness its swaddling band, 10and prescribed bounds for it, and set bars and doors, 11and said, 'Thus far shall you come, and no farther, and here shall your proud waves be stopped'?
12 "Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its place, 13so that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it? 14It is changed like clay under the seal, and it is dyed like a garment. 15Light is withheld from the wicked, and their uplifted arm is broken. 16"Have you entered into the springs of the sea, or walked in the recesses of the deep? 17Have the gates of death been revealed to you, or have you seen the gates of deep darkness? 18Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth? Declare, if you know all this. 19"Where is the way to the dwelling of light, and where is the place of darkness, 20that you may take it to its territory and that you may discern the paths to its home? 21Surely you know, for you were born then, and the number of your days is great! 22"Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, 23which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war? 24What is the way to the place where the light is distributed, or where the east wind is scattered upon the earth?
25 "Who has cut a channel for the torrents of rain, and a way for the thunderbolt, 26to bring rain on a land where no one lives, on the desert, which is empty of human life, 27to satisfy the waste and desolate land, and to make the ground put forth grass? 28"Has the rain a father, or who has begotten the drops of dew? 29From whose womb did the ice come forth, and who has given birth to the hoarfrost of heaven? 30The waters become hard like stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. 31"Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, or loose the cords of Orion? 32Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season, or can you guide the Bear with its children? 33Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish their rule on the earth? 34"Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, so that a flood of waters may cover you? 35Can you send forth lightnings, so that they may go and say to you, 'Here we are'? 36Who has put wisdom in the inward parts, or given understanding to the mind? 37Who has the wisdom to number the clouds? Or who can tilt the waterskins of the heavens, 38when the dust runs into a mass and the clods cling together? 39"Can you hunt the prey for the lion, or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, 40when they crouch in their dens, or lie in wait in their covert? 41Who provides for the raven its prey, when its young ones cry to God, and wander about for lack of food?

What has My Quest claimed about God, other than that God is alive and working in one man's life?

Tim Sean

The culture war has begun. Ugh!

People still ask how Nazi Germany could have risen to power. The short answer? The economy had tanked and people were demoralized by WWI. Man, I hope to God our economy stays strong. If it takes a turn downward, hold on tight friends. Hold on tight.


Hi Ben. Relax, I am not going to attack you. I think you might have good things to say, but your intentions might be a little mixed up. I'd like you to ask yourself some questions before you post again, to help you stay focused:

Did you expect Scott's friends to take you seriously? Why/why not?

Do you expect to change anyone's mind here? Why/why not?

Do you think it is clever to use Scott's degree as a nickname for him? Why/why not?

Did you really intend to refer to yourself as "Truth and Righteousness" in your previous comment? Why/why not?

Feel free to respond, but don't reveal your answers...don't answer them for everyone else's sake. Nobody else needs to know, right?

Thank you, by the way, for calling me a fundamentalist. I was afraid nobody would notice...or that someone would call me a "liberal" by default. That always drives me crazy.

I'm moving on to another thread. Peace.

Kevin Sinclair

I'm sorry Ben if you felt like we were attacking you. I was under the impression that I was using kind words to speak with you, a brother in Christ, about another one of our brothers and my personal journey on this topic. Especially after the way you talked to Scott. Hateful message as follows:

You perhaps are the lowest of the squalid, scurvy, pathetic, lightweight windbags in blogdom. And those who can't seem to see that the rainbow emperor is not just naked but doesn't even have any skin to hold his rattlin bones together, are victims of nothing but puffed up egomaniacal rhetoric.
What are you going to do when the desperate attention you crave ebbs and fades from this little dog and pony show? Bestiality?
Your "theology", "ethics", and "morals" stand on one leg of a snake. You are making it up as you go along, and your creativity ain't cuttin it.
A Pox upon you for foisting off your seamy, sordid, seedy poison on impressionable minds of our youth to satisfy your gluttonous appetite of self serving idolatry. Let me clue you in little Napoleon, you ain't no character in one of your movies, you ain't got no character that I can discern, and just because you call yourself PHD don't mean you got any sense.

*Insert encouraging nice part*
Now for the good news! As a prodigal myself, if our wits ever return and we can find our way home, our Father has a ring and a robe in our size waiting on us.
*End encouraging nice part*

Good luck on your Quest, and remember it is YOUR Quest, try not to sucker anymore souls into believing that it is theirs.

You accuse us of being exclusivistic and cruel? The audacity on this one, ladies and gentlemen. First, I love that you criticize me for needing the community of God to help me in my spiritual journey. Wow, Ben doesn't need anyone, he's just the lone prophet crying out in the "blog-o-sphere." Second, we are just alike. We are both screw ups and hypocrites. The difference is I am not running around yelling at people on their blogs about how they all are too. Third, my personal view of the issue at hand has nothing to do with Scott's teaching. The teaching Scott has given me and encouraged me with is that we don't have to make historical sense of the resurrection because we know by experience that Christ is living and active. Seriously Ben, I don't like arguing with people like this. So can we just cut the "Ooo dang you got served!" bullcrap and get back to being community? If you think Scott is a going to hell because of this then that is between him and God. As for the rest of us let's take a seat at the table of grace and raise a toast to Radical Inclusion. Fundies welcome, too!


(psst! Kevein...I'm not really a fundamentalist. Are liberals welcome too?)


Kevin Sinclair

Ah hell, let 'em all in Travis. You can even bring in some Mormons if you like!


Mormons? Did I hear Mormons?? It's a party! I'll bring the cake... :)

Matthew Maddox

Since "Ben" makes it so painfully obvious than "he" has some affiliation with Royal Lane Baptist Church, I can only pray for the person's child. You know, Ben, you're a fellow church member. As such, I owe you my respect and forgiveness. And you will have it, eventually.

But you're making it very difficult. I agree with Scott: this is the equivalent of 1965 on racial civil rights; if you're still on the wrong side of this issue, it's no longer acceptable. That being said, I can be understanding of people who don't share the progressive (but ultimately inevitable) conlusion that homosexuality is a natural state of being deserving of the same respect as heterosexuality.

You go out of your way to choose language that reflects your seething anger. You are hateful. Isn't that the one thing we Christians must strive to never be? And you are choosing to indulge this hatred. You've let it simmer for long enough to write a comment, check back for responses, and then post another mean-spirited comment -- and in response to teenagers! Our church has a heritage of cherishing our children and youth, not insulting them!

If you truly wanted to engage Scott in a constructive way, you could have said what is surely the real truth on some level: That you are hurt. That you are afraid. That it's hard being a parent. That you feel like things change too quickly. You could have been completely honest about your struggle with the issue of homosexuality and how learning this new piece of information has been discomforting. You would have found - I guarantee you - a warm and considerate reception from him and this community of readers. But you didn't.

And, finally, I must defend my church. Ben's reaction is highly atypical of our membership. While we still have some people who struggle with this issue, I have never encountered this brand of blatant, outright hatred of gays in our church before. Having now encountered it, I find myself deeply saddened.

Scott Jones

Dearest friends,

Please allow people to post however they feel. Thank you for coming to my defense, but I'm okay. I can take it.

I am not now arguing a point about an issue. I am sharing a story. It is my feeling that we can all learn from each other if we hear each other's stories. Our stories, in many ways, are more important than arguing issues anyway.


Ben Deceived

Whoa, everybody take a number!
My my, Natalie, did you learn all those nice words in youth group? 15 and AP to boot? PHD can't be far away! You dis'd me good girl, I gots ta own up to dat!

Garrett, most intelligent blog since Tim's.
Thanks for the scripture. What I love about scripture is that it always cuts both ways.
It convicts us all where ever we are in our pilgrimage, no need for commentary. As for "My Quest", I am not sure I would characterize it quite the way you do. Let's not turn Dr. Scott into St. Scott just yet. I'll put my shortcomings up to his anytime.I figure the adventure of a Quest is running into people like you and me. I think we are called to provoke each other once in a while.
Don't you love Jeremiah?
[1] Run to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, look and take note!
Search her squares to see
if you can find a man,
one who does justice
and seeks truth;
that I may pardon her.
[2] Though they say, "As the LORD lives,"
yet they swear falsely.
[3] O LORD, do not thy eyes look for truth?
Thou hast smitten them,
but they felt no anguish;
thou hast consumed them,
but they refused to take correction.
They have made their faces harder than rock;
they have refused to repent.
[4] Then I said, "These are only the poor,
they have no sense;.....
I won't post the whole chapter but it is great reading!

Trav baby...my "intentions" were to push your buttons and you lit up like a pinball machine...great questions and I would love to answer them, they are such great set ups, but alas it would be like picking petals off a daisy. I can tell that you read it with a little blood in your eye though. Why don't you read it again and let it soak in before you respond, I think you gave me too much credit in some places. As I recall, the response I was giving to PHD's "Journey Out" was intended for him, maybe since he has not responded, he is reflecting on the orts that have a sting of truth to them. I have a great deal of respect for Scott, I love the guy! I have read his blog from time to time just to recharge my own zeal for service. I will not apologize however for my response to his "Journey Out". It is squalid and scurvy, and is a major disappointment in relation to some of his other posts. What is the point? Who cares about his first kiss? He is waxing so giddy, you would think he was a 15 year old girl! Oh, I forgot we already have one of those weighing in. How about we all share our bio's in sexual discovery? I'll go next. It will be like a virtual circle jerk or maybe just a circle of jerks.

Kev, I love you man! You quoted the whole thing again! Even though I was not soliciting your response, I thought your first rejoinder was well thought out, well written and from the heart, albeit condescending. You got down in the dirt with me in the second though didn't you. I'm sorry that I have challenged your mentor, I have had several mentors through the years and it is always a shock to find out that not everyone is as enthusiastic about them as I am. As far as..."we can all only hope to be half the follower of Christ that Scott Jones is actively living his life as.", I think I know Scott well enough to say that even he would tell you that your sights are set a little low.
(Just to set the record straight I have met Scott Jones Phd. personally, and know some of his ideology, philosophy and theology. I still would characterize him as a lightweight windbag and takes himself way too seriously.)
Brief reply to some of your points in your second more emotional retort:
Hateful? No. Harsh descriptive sarcasm; yes.
It is hard to be omni-inclusive isn't it?
Cruel? Maybe. Is it more cruel to say no to a child or lavishly fulfill every demand? (bad analogy, but you are intelligent and I am sure understand my point)
Criticize community? No way. I rely on all the village idiots in my community. Sometimes they speak with one voice, but most of the time they have a variety of opinions; they even argue occasionally.
Hell? I don't think I ever mentioned Hell; I am not certain about this so don't hold me to it, but if memory serves, I don't think Scott believes in Hell.
I'll bet we would really like each other if we had occasion to meet!
The table of grace, is that where we wash each others feet?
Don't get me started on foot fetishes!

One sincere apology to Scott, I know for a fact that you have a lot of character, it has just had a couple of big chunks knocked out of it in the past few weeks in the eyes of some.

May His face shine upon us all, and give us Peace!

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